David Lawson & Eleanor White

Eleanor White is a retired engineer. She served her country by spending two years in the military as an engineer. White has been a targeted individual for decades. In hopes to assist new targeted individuals understand what is happening to them, she has done a book review on PI-journalist David Lawson’s two books. The first 2001 “Terrorist Stalking In America’ (ISBN:0-9703092-0-1 out of print) and second published in 2007 ‘Cause Stalking’ (ISBN-13:978-0-9703092-3-5). Below you will find Eleanor’s report, where David Lawson’s comments will appear in quotations:

David Lawson’s Investigation Into Organized Stalking updated March 7, 2009, By Eleanor White. American private investigator David Lawson spent approximately 12 years investigating stalking groups in  the United States and Canada, mainly in the 1990s. He wrote about his experiences “riding with” these  networked community harassment groups in two books.  Eleanor also encourages the reading of Mobbing: Emotional Abuse in the American Workplace By Dr. Noa Davenport, Ruth Distler Schwartz, Gail Pursell Elliott Copyright 1999.

While group harassment in the workplace is fairly common, and well documented…  the community-based counterpart, organized stalking, is not well known to the average member of the  public. This paper is to share some of David Lawson’s findings so the reader can begin to grasp what appears  to be a relatively new type of crime. So new, in fact, that targets of organized stalking have great difficulty  getting law enforcement officials to take it seriously.  

Before sharing David Lawson’s findings, it should be pointed out that Lawson’s books contain two types of  information: his observations, and his conclusions.  

David Lawson’s observations of the activities of the community organized stalking groups are a perfect  match for the types of harassment reported by organized stalking targets. However, Lawson’s conclusions as  to who is mainly responsible are puzzling to targets who have read his books.  

David Lawson claims that foreign terrorists and “anti-government” groups are responsible for the growing  organized stalking crimes. Very few targets of organized stalking see evidence that Lawson’s conclusions  match the targets’ experience. Lawson may have discovered those groups operating when he rode with the harassment groups, but anyone interested in finding the backers of local harassment groups would do well to  suspend judgement on Lawson’s conclusions.  

Right up front, targets of organized stalking report that LIES circulated about the targets are what fuel local  hatred for the targets. One of the favourite lies being circulated is that the target is a child molester. This is  routinely used against female targets as well as targeted men.  

Other lies are that the target has a serious criminal record, or is into the drug trade, or is a prostitute. So for  those reading this paper who aren’t familiar with organized stalking, keep in mind that the obvious answer to  “Why would people harass targets who are nobodies?” … is that once lies are circulated that the target is a  major criminal, that target is no longer a “nobody.”  

As to why certain people are chosen as targets, targets’ reports show that whistleblowers and activists are  sometimes subjected to organized stalking as “punishment” for their activities. Other cases occur when a  target is in line for a large inheritance, or has turned in a well-connected spouse for criminal activity such as  pedophilia, or sometimes the target just “ticked off” someone who is well-connected to groups willing to do  organized stalking.  

According to David Lawson, some targets are simply chosen for ‘practice.’  


Quotes are from David Lawson’s currently available book “Cause Stalking” except where noted from his  original book, “Terrorist Stalking in America.”  

Author David Lawson did interview perpetrators, (“perps”), targetted people (“targets”), and the police. Here  is what the author heard from the police he interviewed:  

[pg 79] “I also spoke with a few police officers from across the country. They confirmed the  existence of stalking groups across the country. In general, they said that ’cause stalking’ is  primarily a civil problem where the plaintiff has to prove financial loss. They also said that there  are free speech and grass roots issues involved. In fact, the police themselves are targets of these  groups. In small towns, the number of members in these groups can easily exceed the number of  police officers. In general, the police will not talk about stalking groups. One officer did say there is a storm brewing as groups become larger and more numerous.”  

Author Lawson explains here how he got involved and began to interact with the ’cause stalking’ perpetrators: 

“One day, several years ago, I was sitting in my house, and checking out the activity on my  scanner. I heard a woman say that she was following a certain vehicle. She gave the location, the  make and model of the car and the license plate number. A few days later, I heard the same  woman on the same frequency (84) request backup at a certain location. A few days after that I  again heard her broadcasting the position and details about another vehicle she was following. I  listened to other people talking on that frequency and they didn’t give any indication that they  were with any government agency but they were talking about arresting people.”  

“On another occasion, on the same business band frequency, I heard someone complain that an  African American man was crossing the street. “All we could get him for is jaywalking”  responded the leader. “Leave him for the police.”  

“People in the group would discuss where they would go for supper, after their shift was over, so  I [the author] went too. I listened to a group of people openly discussing various activities as if  they were the police.  

“Real police officers were also sitting in the restaurant, listening to them. I later learned that their  presence was not a coincidence.  

“One man who had supper with the group drove a van marked with the call letters of a local AM  radio station. I started listening to it. Most of the guests were people who said they had new  revelations about Waco or Ruby Ridge, or had some inside story about government corruption. It is called hate radio. I also heard advertisements for the meetings of a local political group and I  attended some.  

“At the first meeting I attended, one young man flashed a phony police badge at me. No one paid  any attention. Some of those in attendance were the people I had seen in the local restaurant. This was my introduction to the creepy world of anti-government extremists.”  

David Lawson goes on to explain that he has observed “extremist groups” for several years while living in  New York State, Florida, and Canada. He monitored the stalking groups’ public communications, attended  meetings, and rode with them.  

The author defines the basic reason for being for these citizen stalking groups as CAUSE STALKING. Cause stalking means the group is assembled, under a leader with a “shadowy past”, for some specific cause.  

“Cause stalking has been used by extremist groups since the early 1990s. The basic system is  alleged to have been developed by the Ku Klux Klan and refined through years of use.”  

Some details about the typical cause stalking recruit:  

“Recruits tend to be blue collar workers who are at the bottom end of the job scale. They are  janitors in apartments, hotels, etc., who have keys to get in any locked doors. They are security  guards, who can let fellow members into places where they would not normally be allowed to go. They are city workers, who can, in many cities, follow a target around all day in their vehicles or  have a noisy project underway near his [target’s] residence. They are taxi drivers, who are a  network that is always on the road. They are cable, telephone and electric company employees  who can interfere with a target’s service and spend time on patrol with the group, while they are  on the job.”  

Those are the author’s words. Here are a few quotes from the perpetrators themselves, from the original book: [From Terrorist Stalking in America] “We are like the police except we are above the police.”

(From Terrorist Stalking in America] “We are a citizen’s group that helps the police. We are  trying to alert people in the area about this person [the target] before he gets to do what he did in  the last place he lived.” [Eleanor White talking: All the cause stalking targets I know well did not  commit ANY offenses. The stalkers are filled with LIES by their leaders.]  

[From Terrorist Stalking in America] “When I get the call, I go to whatever the address is. It  doesn’t matter what they [targets] do, they can never get away from us.”  

[From Terrorist Stalking in America] “Who are we? We drive the ambulances that take you to the emergency room. When your house is burning, we put out the fire. We are security guards. We  protect you at night. You only have electricity, phone and cable service because of us. We are  janitors. We have the keys. We fix your cars. You don’t want to mess with us.”  

In “Cause Stalking”, David Lawson provides some details about the motivations of stalking group members  not in the first book:  

– 25% follow the nominal “cause” they were recruited under 

– 25% actually participate in the harassment 

– 75% harass occasionally or not at all 

– 10% join out of fear of being harassed themselves

That 10% joining out of fear of harassment is quite interesting, as one of the most difficult barriers to  educating the general public about organized stalking is why anyone would volunteer to harass others.  

Lawson describes recruits to these groups as “… those who feel powerless, inferior and angry.” Common  sense is that naturally, such people would be easy to recruit for street and adjacent to the target’s home  harassment, but I would comment that lots of professionals put us (targets) down at every opportunity,  declaring us mentally ill for even suggesting organized stalking is possible. These professionals don’t “feel  powerless, inferior, and angry.”  

And I doubt the many utility and city employees who participate feel “powerless, inferior, and angry” either.  So while David Lawson has done a great job, some aspects of organized stalking have apparently escaped  him.  

One comment Lawson makes is that “Firemen across the country, and even some police officers, support  these groups.”  I have heard a number of reports that vehicular harassment has involved an above average number of  vehicles that bear stickers of firefighters, or, a few targets have traced perpetrator identities to firemen. One  target discovered that a number of vehicular harassment cars, identified by licence number, were parked in a  police station parking lot.  

My personal take on why some firemen and police might back these groups is that many have a heightened  sense of community service. If they can be persuaded that the target has a criminal record, the worst case  being that of a pedophile, it would be natural for firefighters and police to “help keep the target in line”.  

The author concludes, as explained at a number of places in the book, that the “cause” the typical group is  “working toward” is mainly an excuse to get the groups together. The main motivation of members who stay  with these groups is the sense of power and belonging the group members derive. Having a “cause” enhances the feelings of power and righteousness, but group members, according to the author, are most concerned  with how their fellow group stalkers feel about their “work” and accept them.  

Lawson explains the attitude of the typical stalking group member towards the “cause” this way:  

“Most active group members have only a general idea of the ideology of the group but they don’t  particularly care.”  

These groups come into being and are run by leaders. Here is what the author says about them in this book, a  bit different and more clearly, when compared with the original book:  

“Group leaders do have political goals and the belief that the end justifies the means.”  Lawson describes leaders as considering their members “disposable.”  

Lawson states that some leaders work for corporations and politicians (original book didn’t  mention politicians.)  

Lawson states that leaders identify targets but don’t directly supervise the harassment group  members.  

Lawson describes leaders as having an “air of mystery”, “having worked for the CIA, NSA, or  some other intelligence agency that doesn’t reveal information about their employees.” Lawson  states that this “background” is likely mythology. 

How about financing these groups?  

Although the author states that the pay is low, there are still very large expenses to harass people as  thoroughly as targets report. Here is an example of what I mean by “large expenses”:  

“Groups are well financed. They can afford to rent property wherever the target lives. If he drives across the country, he will be followed by supporters of similar groups in that area. If he travels  by plane, group members will meet him wherever he lands in the U.S. They may even  accompany him on a plane if they know his travel plan, and there is a good chance that they do.”  

Here is what the author learned about their financing:  

[From Terrorist Stalking in America] “The operations of many extremist groups are actually  financed by corporations which use them to stalk their enemies or potential enemies. The groups  are used as the private armies of those corporations. Some countries kill dissidents and in others  they are jailed. In the United States, someone who is threatening to corporations or industries,  like a whistleblower or activist, is likely to become the target of an extremist group.”  

The author makes several statements that these criminal stalking groups not only harass targets specified by  their leaders, but also are FOR HIRE – a kind of “revenge service” for those wealthy enough to hire them.  

There are two distinct reasons why targets are harassed:  

– The initial reason targets are placed on the stalking groups’ “list” 

– The reason the stalkers keep it up (always involves lies)  

Those two reasons should always be kept separate in your mind, reader. David Lawson’s focus is mainly on  the reason the stalkers continue to harass targets.  

David Lawson’s chapter on Selection of Targets may well be true, but it certainly doesn’t describe the  thousands of people who don’t fit his list of targeted categories. Here are some of the categories of targets  Lawson records in “Cause Stalking”:  

– Abortion clinic workers 

– People guilty of mistreatment of animals 

– County clerks and local politicians 

– Police officers 

– Judges 

– IRS and Treasury agents 

– Civil rights activists 

– Government or corporate whistleblowers 

One thing David Lawson makes clear in describing the targets is that “The ultimate goal of the groups is to  destroy the targets.” Those who have been stalked by organized citizen groups which are fed lies report that  these groups do destroy targets with great efficiency.  

Next, let’s look at some of the typical OPERATIONS these groups carry out. Here, I have retained a number  of quotes from the original book because I feel they state the situation as well or better than the new book:  

• The first step, after a target has been selected, is to establish a personality profile “… which will  involve an assessment of IQ, personality type, and history.” 

• “A target may also notice being photographed.”  

• [From Terrorist Stalking in America] “The primary characteristic of cause stalking is that it is done by large groups of people. A target will always be followed, but he is unlikely to see the same stalkers  very often.” …  

[From Terrorist Stalking in America] “Many of these groups include hundreds of people.”  

• “Some authors refer to cause stalking as terrorist stalking. Groups do not just stalk individuals. They  employ organized programs of harassment which include break-ins, property damage, assault and  occasionally, even death. The children of a target are a favorite.”  

• [From Terrorist Stalking in America] “Firemen across the country, and even some police departments  have a long history of supporting extremist groups. Fire trucks can sometimes be seen riding in  extremist convoys, with their flashing lights turned on and their sirens screaming. They will also race  to greet a convoy which is entering their town. The participation of firemen, city workers and utility  company workers helps give group members an illusion of legitimacy and power.”  

• [From Terrorist Stalking in America] “City employees can be used to harass a target in many ways  including tearing up the road in front of a target’s home. Employees of pest control businesses who  have access to the keys for apartments and those who work for alarm and locksmith companies are  also of interest.”  

• [From Terrorist Stalking in America] “Groups also attack targets of convenience. These people are  selected because they are convenient targets, and not for any other reason. These include loners who  tend to be more vulnerable to their harassment tactics than those with family and friends around them. Targets of convenience are used for practice.”  

• [From Terrorist Stalking in America] “In order to establish bases of operation, they will enlist the  assistance of neighbors. In many areas, they can do this by intimidation. Those who do not co-operate can be targetted, which includes harassment of their families and damage to their homes and vehicles. 

“If they are dealing with individuals who do not know them, they can also appeal to their sense of  patriotism and they can offer drugs, friendship, home repair, free taxi rides and what ever else they  have to. In some cases they may even be able to get a key to the residence from a ‘patriotic’ landlord.”  

• [From Terrorist Stalking in America] “Surveillance is conducted 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. When a target leaves his residence they will alert the group, either by cell phone or by business band radio.  Other members, who are patrolling the perimeter to watch for police and other vehicles driving in the  area, will race to the location to begin pursuit. In small towns, where business band radio is widely  used, these activities are a local sport among a small group. Anyone with a scanner can join in. Some  targets have reported hearing an announcement on their scanners as soon as they turn their lights on in the morning.”  

• [From Terrorist Stalking in America] “In a typical apartment setting, they will attempt to lease, sublet, or otherwise have access to apartments above, below, and on both sides of the target. They will also  “guard” the vehicles of a target in the parking lot.”  

[From Terrorist Stalking in America] If [the target] flushes a toilet, he may hear a car horn honk, the  sound of a power tool or hammering, for example. There will also be a large number of people  coming and going, and accompanying rowdiness and noise.” 

• [From Terrorist Stalking in America] “A common ruse used by these groups is that they are a ‘citizens group’ which assists the police and they are ‘just keeping track of’ a certain individual, for whatever  reason. The illusion is reinforced by the case files they carry which are complete with photos of the  target and look like those used by police.”  

• “During a search [of the target’s home or apartment] members who are on patrol anyway establish a  perimeter around the residence to watch for police vehicles. In an apartment setting, entry will likely  be gained through a member of the janitorial staff, pest control or alarm technician, since they have a  right to enter. They may even be able to approach a landlord and gain his co-operation, after  convincing him of their ‘higher purpose’. He may also co-operate out of fear.”  

• [From Terrorist Stalking in America] “Others do not recognize that they are being harassed by an  organized group. They just think that there are a lot of rude people in the world.”  

• “Interception of mail is standard practice.” … “Typically, targets notice that their mail is arriving late  or they do not receive certain pieces of mail. They [targets] may overhear people at a nearby table in a restaurant talking about certain mail, and realize it is theirs, or someone may drive by [the target]  waving their mail at them.”  

• “Interception of phone calls is also standard practice. This is done by telephone company employees  who support the [stalking] group for ideological reasons or because they obtain some benefit.”  Eleanor White comment: I’d add to that one of the most likely reasons, because the phone technicians  are told lies about targets.  

• “An objective is to isolate the target from his family and friends. He can tell them about all the strange things happening around him, but they will not understand and perhaps will think he is crazy.  Sometimes other members of the family will receive the same treatment.”  

• “When a target is driving, standard practice is to surround his vehicle and attempt to control his speed. He will not be followed in close proximity by the same vehicles for a long distance. They do frequent  trade-offs. Vehicles line up behind the target to take their turn.”  

“In many parts of the country it is common to see groups of six to 30 or more vehicles driving around  in convoys with their high beams on during the day. This is one of the ways a convoy can be  identified.”  

• “Standard practice is to watch the target’s vehicles and this subjects them to damage including slashed tires, scratched paint, stolen license plates, etc. Typically they would not cut the brake lines on  vehicles or commit other similar acts of sabotage, but they would drain the oil or antifreeze over a  period of time.”  

• [From Terrorist Stalking in America] “A target will be followed on foot wherever he goes. Anyone  can go to the same public places he goes, and they will attempt to get into any other restricted places  he goes, including hospitals, places of employment, etc. It has been said that it is possible to go nearly anywhere if you have a clipboard in your hand and it is almost true. They also like to wear name  badges on a lanyard, and some carry phony police badges.”  

• [From Terrorist Stalking in America] “Common harassment tactics used by those on foot include pen  clicking, in which they repeatedly click a ball point pen, key rattling, and rattling change in their  pockets while standing behind the target. Many tactics are tried and the result is observed. Those  which evoke a response from the target are repeated. When a target sits anywhere in public, group  members will attempt to sit behind him in order to create noise, by whatever means, including tapping their feet on the target’s chair. The objective is to harass the target constantly.”  

• [From Terrorist Stalking in America] “Groups attempt to interfere with any business and personal  relationships which the target has. Typically, this interference involves character assassination from  some anonymous individual and is not usually taken seriously by those who know the target. It can be effective with people who don’t know the target.”  

• “At work, the target will also experience character assassination. If he works in any position where he has to deal with the public, there will be a steady stream of customers who complain about him. If he  is a real estate agent, he will have a steady stream of prospects who occupy his time but never make  an offer.”  

Let me, Eleanor White, give you an example of how brutal and serious this “character assassination”  can be.  

One of our members, who prefers to remain anonymous, moved in with her husband and children to a house which, unkown to them, had been a methamphetamine lab. The chemicals used to brew meth  apparently cause distinctive symptoms in the mouth. This family’s dentist felt he was “helping law  enforcement” by reporting them to local law enforcement as meth users. This was absolutely untrue,  but the family didn’t even know the report had been made and had no way to correct it. (In fact, in  some places, dentists are REQUIRED to report suspected cases of meth use.)  

Law enforcement in that area was apparently tied in to the citizen groups, and the family was harassed for many years. The husband died, apparently from exposure to these chemicals.  

The lady, now a grandmother, steadfastly did detective work and eventually found out about her  family’s reputation, with some help from a policeman who was a personal friend, from a different  jurisdiction. This policeman admitted off the record that “meth mouth” can result in people being  submitted to citizen harassment groups for harassment.  

Character assassination is complete, and has life-destroying consequences!  

• “A common tactic use by groups is noise campaigns. Group members will drive by the target’s  residence or work place, honking their horns, squealing tires, and making whatever other noise they  can.”  

“They will also make noise from whatever nearby properties they have access to. Typically, they will  make noise when the target goes outside. Group members will also frequently knock on his door for  whatever peculiar reasons they can dream up.”  

• “In an apartment setting, targets can expect to hear tapping on the walls in the middle of the night,  hammering etc. from the upper and/or lower apartments, and possibly the apartments on both sides.  They will continue to ‘work’ on these activities for as long as they can get away with them.”  

• [From Terrorist Stalking in America] “… It is not uncommon, in an apartment setting, for a target to  hear someone moving from room to room as he does, from the upper or lower apartment. [Eleanor  White talking: This requires commercial through wall radar or more advanced technology in many  cases.]  

• “Often they occupy a nearby apartment, part time, when the owner is not there and he receives some  benefit. A target may notice someone leaving a nearby apartment when he leaves his, and arrive when he arrives. In addition, he will often be accompanied in elevators by a steady stream of different individuals who go to the apartments being used by the group.”  

What about the future, then? Let me close this review with a chilling quote from David Lawson’s first book,  Terrorist Stalking in America, reporting what the author learned from some of the leaders:  

“The leaders … are starting to balk at exposing their members to arrest for activities which  amount to little gain for the movement. They say that anyone who is a target should be killed, and  not just harassed for years.”  

Eleanor White

-Much thanks to David Lawson for his books. And extreme gratitude and thanks to you Eleanor White for your constant giving to the TI community.

Former Navy Officer and Control Systems Engineer David Voigts walks across the US to bring awareness to involuntary human experimentation that is the gangstalking and remote DEW neuroattacks of innocent US citizens.

This week at the Springfield, MO Library Center (where computers went off-line same week a couple years ago that the SPD’s computers went off line to ‘update’ their systems) was hacked so bad actually left library. Was editing photos of old paintings done 10-15 years ago. It took an hour to edit and save 9 paintings. When they were done, the whole computer range of desktop icons, programs, files and folders were deleted, (such as Word, Google, Microsoft and Firefox icons, etc., and also deleted were the nine finished, edited photos of paintings.) Only the ‘recycle bin’ was there and some original photos. Librarians were stumped because the computer desktop icons were not even in the trash (sorry changed to politically correct ‘recycle bin’). Here are two photos (one close-up) of same display image: showing the hacking. Original photos left on the display had their individual jpeg numbers changed to letters and $ signs: and if someone intends to use these paintings for profit- they have all been copyrighted.

Here are some observations from targetedartist:

In 2016 when DEW attacks began in Springfield, MO -what looked like ‘secret service’ agents first DEW remotely targeted in large black SUVs remotely when TA was driving to, or at grocery store, or library. These very large, physically fit white men, had short hair, shaved blank faces, and dead eyes. They wore suits or white dress shirts and black pants/shoes. In the surrounding rental homes one FBI couple moved in and stayed two years -even had the white van parked in drive that another dress-suited agent came out of every day going into the home presumably to use the bathroom. Eventually this class of gangstalker moved on, (did they decide targetedartist was manageable?)

Then visibly poor or homeless began to stalk and remotely DEW target outside the home, and around home, along with ‘neighbors’. Then rental ‘neighbors’ moving in had reputations for ‘getting things done’, many have children, and immediately remote DEW targeting was upgraded to involve brain-computer interface, interrogation and lots of DEW remote torture and rape.

At the library sometimes, whatever ‘story’ working to post gangstalkers came in that would reflect it -as a scripted visual. Hacking at library is done by the homeless, poor, middle class and goons. In the past year at the library, if there is a story the gangstalking community doesn’t like, goons appear looking like some form of computer blue-collar security, most of them white men, blank, anemic faces and dead eyes- sometimes black men. All wearing dress shirts, some in suits. They hack computers accessed by targetedartist and render them useless… Either every single action suddenly takes three actions to complete, or entire stories are deleted, or as yesterday: the entire display of edited, saved material was deleted, and only original photos remained, with different jpeg numbers, all having $ signs in them and letters instead of numbers.

Thank God for the kind librarians in Springfield, MO. Thank God, for the TI letters and phone calls from so many good people from all over this country. Thank God for the kind Springfield, MO Post Master, his secretary and employees on Chestnut Expressway, who have assisted with mail from being returned, the mail from another family, and destroyed mail: from continuing to happen. And thank God for the friends in the military who support TAs efforts in targeteartist.wordpress.com. God bless you.

Painting below, “Walking on Water” 2001.

Thank you God for everything exactly the way it is today. Thank you God for protecting, loving, guiding, healing and watching over all TIs, our families and friends and everything and everyone we love. Thank you for especially watching over and healing all TI children and TI pets. God, your greatest gift to us is free-will and those DEW/BCI attacking TIs are taking away your greatest gift to humankind. God thank you for bringing the Network Collective of gangstalkers and experimenters to justice. We love you, Amen.

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